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Post by Andan on May 15, 2008 10:35:45 GMT
That is one thing I've been hoping for days to happen. But if it does, would it be unfair to leave previously-reviewed files as it is, still reviewed under the old guidelines?
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Post by Basse on May 15, 2008 13:57:04 GMT
If it was changed, I would change some of my older reviews to fit the new system, giving much more accurate scores. I asked Tanneur on this matter after he asked me to rewrite some parts of a review, if we could ast least have half points to get rid of the meaningless pluses and minuses. Naturally, I got no answer at all
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 15, 2008 15:49:24 GMT
Back to the original topic for a second...
You haven't really completed Sabato Returns until you get the elite berserk (Highochre route). He's obscure, and useless, but hey.
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Matt
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Post by Matt on May 15, 2008 20:00:24 GMT
If it was changed, I would change some of my older reviews to fit the new system, giving much more accurate scores. I asked Tanneur on this matter after he asked me to rewrite some parts of a review, if we could ast least have half points to get rid of the meaningless pluses and minuses. Naturally, I got no answer at all You can't do that though, because the idea of a system of reviewing is to make it as least subjective as possible. That is why we have standards for a 3, a 4, etc. If a map is a better than standard, but not perfect, 98% of the time it is getting a 4. Crude? yes, but standardized. If we can score by .1 instead of 1, I might give that map a 3.2, while you give it a 4.6. Too much subjectivity. The problem is everything is basically a 4, creating a system for differentiating between campaigns that has a scale of 1 essentially. Average gets 4, perfect gets 5. So what does really good get? 4.6 maybe, and that is a boring score because 4.2-4.4 is a run of the mill score. That is the problem as I see it. THe Prohpecy IS a 4.6, but is it only 0.2 better than a thousand other campaigns and equal to a 100 others. THAT is the issue. Drop the automatic and practically autmatic 4's. Create a system where 3 is an average scenario, 4 is very good, 5 is flawless. But I have said this a lot of times
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 15, 2008 20:30:50 GMT
That would be impossible because there's so many reviews already with different guidelines.
Actually it's a 4.9, only I gave it a 4.6.
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Post by Jatayu on May 15, 2008 21:49:42 GMT
If it was changed, I would change some of my older reviews to fit the new system, giving much more accurate scores. I asked Tanneur on this matter after he asked me to rewrite some parts of a review, if we could ast least have half points to get rid of the meaningless pluses and minuses. Naturally, I got no answer at all You can't do that though, because the idea of a system of reviewing is to make it as least subjective as possible. That is why we have standards for a 3, a 4, etc. If a map is a better than standard, but not perfect, 98% of the time it is getting a 4. Crude? yes, but standardized. If we can score by .1 instead of 1, I might give that map a 3.2, while you give it a 4.6. Too much subjectivity. The problem is everything is basically a 4, creating a system for differentiating between campaigns that has a scale of 1 essentially. Average gets 4, perfect gets 5. So what does really good get? 4.6 maybe, and that is a boring score because 4.2-4.4 is a run of the mill score. That is the problem as I see it. THe Prohpecy IS a 4.6, but is it only 0.2 better than a thousand other campaigns and equal to a 100 others. THAT is the issue. Drop the automatic and practically autmatic 4's. Create a system where 3 is an average scenario, 4 is very good, 5 is flawless. But I have said this a lot of times I for one do not give a run of the mill scenario a 4.2-4.4, I'm a lot harsher than that. All the same anything I give 4 and over is well worth playing, which is really the purpose of a review. I really think the review system is screwed up too tight, people should be allowed to be subjective because to be frank this is a subjective matter. There are no guidelines to review books at amazon.com, for example. Nowadays I only review mods utitlites and stuff, hardly ever scenarios. Oh, and where is the Berserk on the Highocre route? I seem to have forgotten, though I thought I had gleaned everything in the scenario.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 15, 2008 22:02:05 GMT
He's very, very difficult to find. Normally this is the sort of thing I would make up as a joke to make you hunt for it for ages, but I promise you it's there.
There's some fairly obscure stuff in SR by the way, it took me a while to find it all. Did you ever kill the pig racing man? Or find the dyslexic samurai?
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Post by Mashek on May 15, 2008 23:44:48 GMT
I know what you mean, but I guess Tanneur being the president of some major business gives him excuse for not answering most emails. Mostly he can only do what he can in accordance with the BS and leave it at that.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 16, 2008 8:57:52 GMT
Maybe you could ask about appointing some new Blacksmith moderators then?
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Post by Mashek on May 18, 2008 5:52:58 GMT
We had Brand New Car, and everything was smoother, but then he received new work hours and disappeared. Never heard from him since. It is such a disappointment. Things like this always happen, and I don't think there's anyone else qualified or remotely interested to help.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 18, 2008 9:56:06 GMT
Why not make a recruitment post in the forums? I'm sure Basse or some other reviewer would volunteer. You'd have to have set requirements though.
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Post by Mashek on May 19, 2008 3:34:15 GMT
It's not my job or my right to recruit.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 19, 2008 8:41:30 GMT
You guys are worse than the British civil service at getting things done. Suggest it to your superiors or something. You clearly need more people.
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Jatayu
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Post by Jatayu on May 19, 2008 14:45:46 GMT
Really I think the Aokh admin is in a mess. So many ppl rarely show around or give excuses.
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Post by Basse on May 19, 2008 15:06:58 GMT
Sadly, yes, the only active moderators are Mashek, and sometimes Aro. It's more usual to see on outsider moderator, like Mace or Silk, visit the forums than, say, newIdea or CrystalCrown
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on May 19, 2008 18:45:55 GMT
Aro asked for time to sort things out. I resolved to give him three months and then send an email to upper management (remember that thread?).
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Post by Mashek on May 20, 2008 6:10:44 GMT
CC returned the other week with many plans, and apologies for his absense, but he's disappeared again. Yes, I've complained many times that we need new staff. The problem is, everyone, including Aro, already knows it. He asked for time too, but I have no idea what he's planning doing.
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Matt
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Post by Matt on May 20, 2008 20:17:58 GMT
CC returned the other week with many plans, and apologies for his absense, but he's disappeared again. Yes, I've complained many times that we need new staff. The problem is, everyone, including Aro, already knows it. He asked for time too, but I have no idea what he's planning doing. I am not sure if you can answer this question, but I will ask it anyways: Is there a lot of strife/frustration/lack of cooperation in the moderation of HG? I get the sense whenever Aro, Watchwood, and a few others talk that being HG staff is a rather horrible experience. I know for one thing, as soon as nI became a mod I haven't seen him at all. Probably an unfair question but if it is just pretend you never read my post.
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Post by Mashek on May 21, 2008 1:04:53 GMT
In all honesty, Matt, no there is absolutely no such sense from other staff - we get our downs but also the ups. Moderation can be enjoyable, but also frustrating with some of the work or arseholes on the net.
In addition, I never knew that Aro and WatchWood felt that way. newIdea is a strange case. He always used to be there, now...
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Matt
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Post by Matt on May 21, 2008 11:57:52 GMT
In all honesty, Matt, no there is absolutely no such sense from other staff - we get our downs but also the ups. Moderation can be enjoyable, but also frustrating with some of the work or arseholes on the net. In addition, I never knew that Aro and WatchWood felt that way. newIdea is a strange case. He always used to be there, now... To be fair, they never have said it to me, I just sort of inferred it. It may not be an accurate idea I have, so that is why I asked.
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Post by Scuddles! on May 21, 2008 16:11:10 GMT
My short time as a member of staff has been fine; but then it has nothing at all to do with moderation at all so I can't comment in this area - but my personal experience with the marketing team thus far has been a positive one.
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 2:26:25 GMT
So you all want to know where "Sabato Lives Proloque is hm?.......well I know where it is lol.......Just go to dgdn.net then look under projects for AOK:TC and on page two is Sabato Lives. Btw hi all I came to see what you all were up to lol.
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Post by Jatayu on Jul 9, 2008 7:10:22 GMT
Erm, these threads are months old..
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 7:42:00 GMT
Thats ok, least you all know where to find it
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Post by Von on Jul 9, 2008 9:43:19 GMT
Hi Cat. Good to see you around again. You've probably got absolutely no idea who I am but that's ok. I gather DGDN is on the rise again. It's been rather quiet for a while over there, so I hope all goes well!
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 9:53:30 GMT
Hi General Vongomery and unless you are a member of DGDN it does seems very quiet lol.........Yes we are on the rise again and I am here to show SWS my support and love for you all. Now do tell me who ya are
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Post by Von on Jul 9, 2008 10:19:59 GMT
Good to hear, though would you be kind enough to confirm that SWS is indeed a sub-branch (for want of a better description) or the like of DGDN. I know that Thunder77 and Swordsworn were in fact members of DGDN at the time they began this team, and I gather that they wanted it to be like a sub-branch of DGDN (I'll have to look throught the original opening thread at AoKH to make sure I recollect correctly). Is this how you see it? I must confess that I personally considered it to be an individual team, but I don't have any particualr concerns either way. By the way, I'm VonCorgath over at AoKH.
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 10:39:46 GMT
Good to hear, though would you be kind enough to confirm that SWS is indeed a sub-branch (for want of a better description) or the like of DGDN. I know that Thunder77 and Swordsworn were in fact members of DGDN at the time they began this team, and I gather that they wanted it to be like a sub-branch of DGDN (I'll have to look throught the original opening thread at AoKH to make sure I recollect correctly). Is this how you see it? I think you all were once, but now DGDN is changing hosts and getting a VPS server, I would loveeee to have you all as a Sub-team of dgdn, but thats up to the bosses
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Post by Von on Jul 9, 2008 11:44:35 GMT
Unfortunately we don't really have any "bosses" at the moment, and haven't for a while. We have a rostered system where the admin changes each month (and also the names). But I'm sure the others will have plenty of queries.
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 12:43:18 GMT
Unfortunately we don't really have any "bosses" at the moment, and haven't for a while. We have a rostered system where the admin changes each month (and also the names). But I'm sure the others will have plenty of queries. Silence heretic, I am the admin and the Boss (there are no bosses, just one). Lol, actually I am the newest member, so despite my administrator for the month thing I am the low guy on the totem pole. So it would be up to some others to decide.
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