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Post by Von on Jul 9, 2008 11:53:40 GMT
Well, I'm sure you've noticed by now Cats' desire to have us as a sub-team of DGDN. (Check "Sabato Lives" thread if you didn't know) The question is, What are your opinions on the matter?
We haven't had to worry a thing about it since the beginning but now that it's come up I guess we should sort something out. Personally I've been content with the way things were, but those of you who may know me a little better will understand that I really don't mind either way. Would you like SWS to go independant, or would you like to accept to accept DGDN's offer? If you have something to say, some queries or perhaps some concerns now's the time!
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 12:06:52 GMT
I know at one time you all were on dgdn.......now we are moving to a bigger server, thats why we have been what you all call dead......we have been deciding on a VPS vs a small server that could shut ya down if you go over the bandwidth they allocate to you. You would still be SWS just on dgdn's server and a part of the dgdn family. Will add more....
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Post by Von on Jul 9, 2008 12:15:12 GMT
Sorry Cat, I'm just trying to get my grey matter around the situation. So has SWS always been on DGDN's server?
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 12:21:59 GMT
Not lately, no.........why we couldn't host other teams, but once we move we can do what we like It's really up to everyone on this team.............I know when dgdn needed help I would have said ok, to anyone that could have helped us
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 12:57:07 GMT
Outside of a great website with a lot of files and articles, what exactly is left of DGDN? I mean, it looks amazingly dead, although changing sites as you mentioned, I wonder exactly who is left? As for SWS, I probably have the least say being newest, but I would like to point out that despite our site not being superior we are a highly active group both here and at AoKH. Also, we are pretty much an AOK only team now that the few AoE3 guys are gone. The other thing to point out is the majority of us were not part of DGDN, like myself, Andan, Mashek, Julius, Von, Jatayu, turty (I think I am right on all those). Scuddles was, but he is somewhat of a half member now, what with the fact he doesn't really design anymore I wouldn't say I am apposed to a merger or sub-team arrangement, but there are a few things to talk through. And I admit I don't know nearly enough about the current state of DGDN. just so you know, cat, cause it gets confusing with our themes of the month, our current active list is: Lord Basse Julius999 Mashek Matty12345/matt (me) Andanu T VonCorgoth Mashek Turty Jatayu Scud-kind of I don't know when you were last active in AoKH ( I have been around 2+ years, rarely remember you posting), so you may not know half those names
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 13:09:11 GMT
Ok well here is a list of DGDN members as of now, this is AOK only: Crasher Honochio bleedteal Shykre Danthered DarckRedd Mashek Jeremiah Thunder77 SwordSworn and other's. Yes we still have Thunder and SS listed as members I have posted in the past two years, but not enough for anyone to really notice........When I am on day in and day out, then you know I am commited to dgdn and AOKH, now I am posting here as well. I can imagine why you would wonder about dgdn, but I assure you we are taking steps for you to see and feel our presence in AOKH and other places as well. Newest member or not, your opinion counts with me 110% We are going back to AOK, AOE3 and AOM as our games. Hope this helps.
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2008 13:40:18 GMT
Ok well here is a list of DGDN members as of now, this is AOK only: Crasher Honochio bleedteal Shykre Danthered DarckRedd Mashek Jeremiah Thunder77 SwordSworn and other's. Yes we still have Thunder and SS listed as members I have posted in the past two years, but not enough for anyone to really notice........When I am on day in and day out, then you know I am commited to dgdn and AOKH, now I am posting here as well. I can imagine why you would wonder about dgdn, but I assure you we are taking steps for you to see and feel our presence in AOKH and other places as well. Newest member or not, your opinion counts with me 110% We are going back to AOK, AOE3 and AOM as our games. Hope this helps. Wait, Mashek? Just to clarify, I haven't heard this before, did that Aussie sell out on us? I believe DGDN had a very strict and heavily enforced policy against being the member of other teams, so I could then presume Mashek has left SWS? Or has the rule been relaxed? If it hasn't it should be, it was a terrible policy. No offense, I tend to say things rather bluntly. As for the list you provided, crasher is legit, and Mashek as well now, but the rest seem pretty inactive in posts, and obviously more so in design. Perhaps you might consider recruiting? Or perhaps you already are. EDIT: JUST noticed the thread at AoKH, seems you already are recruiting.
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 13:57:21 GMT
That rule is being ex-punged So Mashek is on BOTH teams now Honochio is a Head and made the scen "A Man Alone", Shykre was with scn punk and then on both punk and dgdn, now just dgdn; bleedteal is known as InnuendoAlert on AOKH, Jeremiah is very active in dgdn..........so hope this helps and aye I am recruiting. ;D Now if you register at dgdn's forums, just pm me your e-mail or nick please.
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Post by Jatayu on Jul 9, 2008 14:39:11 GMT
Is that opinions or options?
Anyway the whole hullaboo with design teams is somewhat muted now compared to the past, thanks to a dwindling community of Aok-lovers. One team policy would be a failure.
And I don't really know about DGDN, but there's been nothing released for 2 years. Maybe you can get the team back up and running, but remember that it will then be composed mostly of newbies. SWS got to a 'large' membership adding one person at a time.
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Post by jon. on Jul 9, 2008 15:02:21 GMT
Correction: Innuedo Alert Well, I probably have less of a say than Matty, I'm technically still a newb. I personally wouldn't mind being a sub-team, especially to one that is well-known like DGDN. I guess I'm fine with either decision as well.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Jul 9, 2008 15:11:11 GMT
I am ambivalent towards mergers and what have you. One thing I will say however, is that I definitely do not want to be tied to anything new. For me, obligations are right out. Change is bad. Apart from that I don't mind.
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 15:20:14 GMT
You would still be SWS, just on our server............TY Turty for fixing bleedteal's other nick for me. I understand some think omg what is she about.........it isn't anything except an offer. I know when dgdn had some dark days wayy back when, I would have leapt at the chance for say SCN Punk to help us......yes the two teams had this fun rivaltry going on, but as you see it was all in fun. I would never do a think to hurt this team.....I am Proud of SWS
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Jul 9, 2008 16:01:58 GMT
Put it this way. What difference would it make if we merged or not? That's what I'm not clear on. I don't see any reason why not to take your offer, but I'm not actually sure about what exactly it is, and I'd like to know before venturing an opinion.
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 16:08:24 GMT
First are you all on a free server, if so when the bandwidth is gone you could end up like dgdn did once.....they deleted the site with no warning......I am offering you Hosting for $100.00 a yr and SWS would have both SWS members and dgdn members to help on projects. SWS would be SWS and no strings attached I hope this answers your q's, if not feel free to keep asking
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Post by Jatayu on Jul 9, 2008 16:53:54 GMT
Well the forum is on proboards which isn't vanishing soon, though I don't know about the main page. In any case our site is not all that important, at least not enough to be worth 100$ a year. ( Btw I have a lot of free web space that I'm not using, so if anyone really wants I can host it too ).
Well that doesn't answer any questions, because what you're implying is a change in web space, a minor detail to say the least...
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 17:04:03 GMT
Yes I am offering more space, I would need to know what you have now for the main site, as that's what drew me in here........also feel free to talk it over between just you guys. I know I would if I had Ex-T telling me this Btw Ex and I are friends.
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Post by Jatayu on Jul 9, 2008 17:07:30 GMT
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Post by Cat on Jul 9, 2008 17:10:41 GMT
Yes thats the one I have bookmarked in my fav folder
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Jul 9, 2008 18:29:17 GMT
I'll be frank Cat, I don't think you can offer us anything materially that we need but don't have (hosting etc is adequate for the moment). That's not to say we can't work together, obviously. And if I've got it right, that's the gist of what you're talking about.
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Post by Basse on Jul 9, 2008 19:36:07 GMT
I never knew SWS was a sub-branch of DGDN, from what I recall, Thunder and SwordSworn left the team to start SWS instead, making SWS an independent team, which I've always counted it as. Personally, I don't see the need to "merge" the teams, or just switch hosting site. Our site and the forums have served us well so far, switching host wouldn't change much (if we even can get all posts and threads from this forum into a new host?). If anything I'd say SWS should state its independence, having several independent teams, whose members still can work together, would be better than having a few teams and a load of sub-teams. As far as I know, only Thunder and Swordie were at DGDN, the rest of us were independent designers or ex-members of other teams (like Woad, Surge). Scud ain't a team member anymore, he made his retirement from the team official long ago, but he's counted as somewhat of a VIP guest, gaining exclusive access to the members only forums
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Post by Mashek on Jul 10, 2008 0:49:26 GMT
Taking your generous consideration into account Cat, my opinion is stated in stone. In my honest opinion, I don't believe merging would be productive for AoKH. Besides, it wouldn't make much of a difference but to make either team as active as what they are. I think we should just stick as seperate teams, work to build AoKH together, comment on one another's forums and help one another out (hence I'm now part of DGDN!) but in all to stick seperately as our own. The more seperate design teams, the better.
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Post by Andan on Jul 10, 2008 7:03:48 GMT
What in the world is "opintions"?! Same here. A merge won't be the best option for both DGDN and SWS. However, a mere mutual cooperation of some kind would sound productive. To be honest, I'm always confused about the exact status of SWS, whether it's a sub-team or has it become independent now that Thunder and Selim is no longer a part of DGDN. I'd like to know what both of them would have to say about this, though chances are we're going to wait for quite a while until either of them shows up again. Oh, and I just want to let you guys know that I've followed Mashek's steps, and decided to join DGDN as well (still awaiting their approval, though). So technically, if things run smoothly, I'm going to be a member of both (as if one isn't enough). If either you guys or DGDN are applying the one-team policy (which IMO is pretty much pointless nowadays), then I want each and everyone of you to know that if I had to choose between one, I'm gonna stick with DGDN. Not that I despise this team, in fact I enjoy this friendly community very much, but there was a time, back in my newbie days, when I've always wanted to be a part of them. Now that I know the team is still alive and is now recruiting for members despite the stereotype about it being inactive and dead for a long while, I wish to fulfill my 'old dreams', or whatever you call it. Honestly, I'd rather be a part of both instead of choosing between both.
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Post by Andan on Jul 10, 2008 7:05:56 GMT
Oh, and Cat, check your mail.
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Post by Cat on Jul 10, 2008 11:22:35 GMT
K all here is what I meant and this can still happen, then ppl that come here or DGDN will know we support BOTH teams and are not competitive......at dgdn.net scroll down on the right hand side, see the TS and Woad buttons?? Send me one for SWS and we can add SWS to the teams we support and love...........this will show Everyone, DGDN & SWS ARE friends.........Who do I send the code to for dgdn's button?? I and whomever else in dgdn will still come to these forums and I was never saying for ya'll and us to "Merge" I was simply offering you all web space for the site and forums......nothing else. So now ya know
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Post by Mashek on Jul 10, 2008 12:26:24 GMT
Still.
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Post by Cat on Jul 10, 2008 16:12:00 GMT
Send me one for SWS and we can add SWS to the teams we support and love...........this will show Everyone, DGDN & SWS ARE friends.........Who do I send the code to for dgdn's button??
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Post by jon. on Jul 10, 2008 16:13:35 GMT
Sending it to Basse or anyone who has the privilege to modify the front page would probably be the best.
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Post by Cat on Jul 10, 2008 16:43:37 GMT
TY Turty, now to get them to send me SWS button code.
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Post by Von on Jul 11, 2008 12:42:57 GMT
Hi Cat. Wasn't sure if anyone else had sent you the code, but I've emailed you some that should hopefully work on your site. Firstly I like to thank you very much for your (as Mashek mentioned) generous offer. While indeed it could happen in the future that proboards may delete our forum or freewebs or main page, yet I think the general consensus seems to be at the present that we would like to remain with the current setup. I'm sorry I mentioned all this about a 'merge' as it seems that you were only kindly offering us bandwidth and not a merger at all. I guess I was a little confused as to the exact nature of your offer, but nevertheless it has all be unravelled now and I hope also settled, and I'm sure we all look forward to a prosperous and friendly relationship with DGDN in the future. Andan and Mashek, I think you've both made an excellent choice. Honestly, if you have dreams of where you want to go, then if the opportunity arises you'd be a fool not to take it. Personally I don't have a problem with members being a part of another team though I imagine that your activity may drop a little here (which is of course logical and to be expected). I hope also to be dropping in to DGDN to check out what's going on and the like from time to time, but I will be staying here (like Andan said, 'as if one team isn't enough' ) Anyway, I look forward to working with you all for a long time to come.
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Post by Von on Jul 11, 2008 12:56:16 GMT
Now to try and put the confusion over SWS's status as a design team to rest, how about we state our independance as an individual design team, yet also state our affilliations to DGDN through our esteemed members and friendship of Cat and the DGDN staff?
Or maybe we don't have to? I actually wondering whether the majority in the wider community already sees SWS as an independant team. Perhaps the confusion has only been with ourselves as the members?
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