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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Sept 8, 2008 14:59:20 GMT
What are the most over-rated scenarios in the Blacksmith in your opinion? This is much less likely to turn up interesting results than the other thread, but more fun for criticising other people's hard work.
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Post by Jatayu on Sept 8, 2008 15:16:08 GMT
I think Ulio is easily the most overrated campaign. To be honest I did not see what was so oooh-aah about that. It's good, no doubt, but far from being the best design ever as people often think. Gyda's challenge is another. Frankly I thought that was mediocre, I would give it 4.0 or less. Robin Hood, by Gregory Ktoles is another terribly overrated scenario, but many often were those days. This is another so-called 4.4 ( closer to 2.4 or 1.4 now ). I notice my comment there has been deleted.
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Post by Basse on Sept 8, 2008 15:24:30 GMT
All maps by Mcrnigoj. Surely they can be more realistic than others, bu that doesn't matter much if they bore you to death. I've never liked them and probably never will.
I would agree Ulio and Gyda are overrated, but I still think they deserve high scores. Ulio had a spellbinding story and probably the best use of sound effects to enhance the atmosphere I've evr seen. Gyda was far from as good although I still would rate it high. It was very entertaining and different from Ingo's other scenarios, but also the weakest of them.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Sept 8, 2008 15:31:42 GMT
Have to disagree with you. The story is excellently told, the design is extremely professional, the atmosphere is spot on and the gameplay was innovative. The fact that all this was carried over a three scenario campaign with no drop in quality to me makes it far better than anything oliver, newIdea or anyone else has ever finished.
The only reason Ulio is over-rated (it is) is that people worship it. In my opinion it is the best campaign/scenario ever made though.
When The Wheel Breaks would have been better I think, but is unfinished.
I agree it's over-rated. Better than mediocre though, above average but not outstanding is my opinion (4.4 would be my review).
Obviously a question of taste. I like them a lot.
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Post by Morgoth on Sept 8, 2008 15:34:57 GMT
Like Julius said, the onyl reason it's overrated is because it is thought of as the best thing since sliced bread, when really, it's just the best campaign.
Though almost all older scenarios are overrated because of the rising demands.
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Post by Matt on Sept 8, 2008 20:45:08 GMT
Ahem, you guys know where my vote goes. *cough*Saboto*cough* If I were to rate that campaign, I would go like this probably: Playability:4 Balance: 5 Creativity: 4-5 Map design: 4 Story:4 4.2-4.4 overall.
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Post by Basse on Sept 8, 2008 21:03:40 GMT
*Smites Matty*
I would give it a solid 5. I can understand why you think that way but I can't agree. Surely some people worship it like others worship Ulio (or even Ingo himelf) but that doesn't make the actual campaign less good. Just a little very overhyped.
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Post by Jatayu on Sept 9, 2008 5:41:31 GMT
To be honest I didn't like Ulio because it was the extremely stereotypical Aok campaign. Two medieval kingdoms fighting each other. Boy and girl from opposite sides fall in love but cant marry. Then mysterious outsiders come and they are both on same side so very nice. Then 'twist'- saw it coming a mile off - boy's father is actually the other king. How much more medieval can you get?
SR on the other hand is everything Ulio is not. A brilliant '3 in 1' scenario with intertwining storylines but are still coherent, 3 types of gameplay -RPG,FF,B&D , an extremely varied landscape with circuses and race courses and what not and very far from the stereotypical medieval setting.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Sept 9, 2008 14:50:37 GMT
Part of the reason medieval themes are used is because AoK is set in medieval times. Surely you're just saying you don't like it because Ingo didn't feel like deviating from the time period? It's not like Ulio is uncreative.
I think that's way too harsh. I understand you don't think it's the best ever, but even my first scenario got a 4.4 and try comparing that to Sabato. You can give a 5 for things that are flawed you know.
And the Creativity must be a 5, it was the first one to come up with multiple scenarios in one idea, the idea of life force, and the horse race and it had plenty other little things that weren't unique but still creative.
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Post by Jatayu on Sept 9, 2008 15:46:29 GMT
Not exactly.. I loved Crusade-the beginning, McCringoj's 100 yrs war and Tannenberg and a whole host of such. Maybe it's just the random knee-jerk reaction to a supposedly godly campaign that didn't ( according to me ) live up to expectations.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Nov 8, 2008 15:15:11 GMT
To reignite this argument:
I think it depends a lot on what you started with. The first things I downloaded were The Quest and TKBM, and other older files. Most of the newer, very detailed campaigns were released after I arrived, so the first impact was already gone. For this, I should mention that I downloaded things for quite a long time before registering.
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Post by Jatayu on Nov 9, 2008 7:52:31 GMT
Well the first I downloaded were Sceletar's Crusade the beginning , Wolfcastle II and Mashek's war of the ring, so I guess after that the Quest seemed real crap.
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Post by Julius CMXCIX on Nov 9, 2008 10:29:03 GMT
You see, I think that makes a real difference. Try comparing The Quest to an ES campaign, which was the only competition in those days, and you might find way people who tried it before anything else praise it so highly.
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Post by Scuddles! on Nov 9, 2008 16:05:07 GMT
I think my old (and only) work in the Blacksmith is very over-rated, it only got what it did because of the guidelines.
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Post by Morgoth on Nov 9, 2008 16:12:06 GMT
Yeah, it really is. The no-named thing annoyed me to no end. It's the only Scud-scenario I've played, so I might not say anything about ya, man.
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Post by Andan on Nov 16, 2008 21:42:22 GMT
Well, obviously the majority of the classic campaigns are overrated, if we look through the eyes of today.
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Post by Mashek on Nov 16, 2008 22:07:43 GMT
Well, that's exactly that. You can't judge an old scenario from '99 or '00 - 03' with today's standards. It's just entirely unfair. Obviously you can't mark Moses ~ Liberator of the Jews from a 5.0 to a 3.8 just because it wasn't too hot anymore. In its time it was, like the Quest, an incredibly well-made scenario.
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